Buying and Selling Land

10 reasons why land sellers should not accept offers from real estate wholesalers

by Tammy Tengs

In the past, landowners would occasionally get offers in the mail from people wanting to buy their land. And the person writing the letter would genuinely be interested in purchasing.

Now, things have shifted. Sellers still get letters. The letters even look like the ones they used to get. But sometimes, the person writing the letter with an offer to purchase their land has no money and no genuine intent to purchase.

Wholesalers have entered the real estate game.

During the pandemic, people were at home with a lot of time on their hands. Some were laid off and trying to figure out how to generate income. YouTube wholesale gurus taught an eager audience how to make money without risk or investment.

The newly minted wholesalers sent out offers. Thousands of them. Yet they had no intent to buy.

What the heck? I will explain.

The most important thing you need to know as a land owner is this: it is not in your best interest to accept an offer from a wholesaler. Here are 10 reasons why:

Reason 1: Real estate wholesalers are not buyers.

Real estate wholesalers masquerade as buyers. But they are not buyers. Their strategy is to get the property under contract at one price and then assign the purchase agreement to another buyer at a higher price. Then, they pocket the difference.

Here’s an example of how a wholesaler might implement their plan for vacant land:

  • The wholesaler submits an offer to a landowner at, say, $70,000.
  • The owner is unaware that the “buyer” is a wholesaler.
  • The owner accepts the offer.
  • The wholesaler and seller open an escrow.
  • While in escrow, the wholesaler markets the land at, say, $100,000 to his “list” of potential end-buyers.
  • An end-buyer offers the wholesaler $95,000.
  • The wholesaler assigns the contract to the end-buyer.
  • The end-buyer steps into the wholesaler’s shoes and is now in escrow with the seller.
  • The end-buyer pays cash for the land, and the escrow closes.
  • The seller receives $70,000, the wholesaler gets $25,000, and the end-buyer acquires title to the land. (I have ignored closing costs for simplicity.)

As you can see in this example, the wholesaler had no intention of buying the land when he submitted an offer. In fact, wholesalers usually do not have the cash to buy the land, even if they wanted to.

To be clear, when I refer to a “wholesaler,” I’m not talking about real estate flippers. Flippers buy land and then re-sell it at a profit. Flippers differ from wholesalers because, when they submit the offer, they have the intent to purchase. Their purchase is not contingent on finding an end-buyer before they even close escrow. Flippers almost always close escrow so, from the seller’s perspective, flippers are essentially end-buyers. What they do after closing is not the seller’s concern. Wholesalers are not end-buyers. What they do during escrow is the seller’s concern.

Reason 2: Wholesalers don’t market land thoroughly.

Wholesalers don’t own the land. But, after getting the seller to sign a purchase agreement, they do own something: they own the right to buy the land, i.e., a contract. Wholesalers refer to this as “equitable interest” or “equitable title” (as opposed to legal title). Because they don’t own the land, they can’t legally market the land. They can only advertise what they own — the contract.

To oversimplify the difference to the point of inaccuracy, real estate is dirt, and contracts are paper.

Contracts cannot be marketed in the same way that real estate is marketed. For example, a Realtor marketing land can enter the real estate property characteristics into the Multiple Listing Service (MLS). From there, the MLS syndicates it to national sites like Realtor.com, Zillow.com, Trulia.com, brokerage websites such as Coldwell Banker and Century 21, and hundreds more. Through the power of syndication, buyers worldwide can see that the land is for sale.

Wholesalers are rarely Realtors, so they cannot enter the property directly into the MLS. They could try to hire a Realtor. However, many Realtors will not represent wholesalers.

Further, Realtors must abide by MLS rules. Some MLS systems will not allow Realtors to enter contracts into the MLS. Agents can only enter real estate into the MLS and only when they have a signed listing agreement with the actual owner. For example, one MLS system that I belong to, the RMLS, states that agents can only enter listings into the MLS on behalf of the property owner, defined as:

The person(s) having legal ownership of the property or the person(s)’ authorized agent or person(s) having the legal right to sell or lease the property, except that the owner shall not include a person(s) who merely has the right to purchase the property, but does not yet own it…..

In addition to using the MLS, many Realtors who are land brokers invest hundreds of dollars monthly to advertise on land-specific sites. These include LandsOfAmerica.com, LandFlip.com, etc. Wholesalers rarely make this investment.

Wholesalers typically perform limited marketing to their “list” of potential end-buyers. That list may be 10 people, 100 people, or 1000 people. Regardless, the reach is still much smaller than what a Realtor can achieve.

Reason 3: Wholesalers often require long escrows and long contingency periods.

Since wholesalers are not buyers, they need time to find an end-buyer after they get the property under contract. In California, a typical contingency period for a cash buyer purchasing vacant land is 17 days. A standard closing period is 21–30 days. But wholesalers will ask for an extended period, perhaps a 60-day contingency period and a 90-day escrow.

Long escrows are bad for sellers because they will miss out on other buyers while the wholesaler has the property tied up in escrow. Plus, sellers will continue to pay property taxes and possibly HOA dues for that period of time. Further, the longer the escrow, the greater the chance that non-real estate events such as 9–11 or a pandemic can derail the deal. If/when the wholesaler cancels, the seller has lost that time, and the publicly available “days on the market” metric is now high.

Reason 4: Wholesalers rarely submit a deposit.

As I mentioned before, most wholesalers are often cash-poor. Even those with funds do not want to risk sending a normal-sized deposit of 3% to escrow. This is because they realize they may never get it back. They will likely not find an end-buyer and will have to cancel. They know from experience that the seller will be angry when they walk away. The seller will realize he has been duped and may refuse to sign escrow instructions to return the deposit to the wholesaler.

So, the wholesaler will write a tiny deposit of like $100 into their offer. Or, if they propose a larger deposit, say $1000, the wholesaler will specify in their offer that they will submit the deposit to escrow only after they complete their due diligence.

Regardless of whether the proposed deposit is small or large, they often “forget” to send it to escrow.

These tactics give sellers little recourse when the wholesaler inevitably cancels.

Reason 5: Wholesalers often try to renegotiate the deal.

In the example above, the wholesaler and seller agreed to a price of $70,000, and the wholesaler found an end-buyer to pay $95,000. But suppose the wholesaler could not find an end-buyer that would pay $95,000. Suppose he could only find one that would pay $85,000. He would then go back to the seller to try to renegotiate the initial contract price down to, say, $60,000. This way, he can maintain his $25,000 profit margin.

If he is unsuccessful at renegotiating the price, he might ask the seller for a more extended due diligence period and a longer escrow. This is so he can have more time to find an end-buyer.

Reason 6: Wholesalers may not close escrow.

As I stated before, wholesalers usually cancel escrow. Based on my experience, this happens 90% of the time. They cancel because they cannot find an end-buyer that will pay more. Here are some of the reasons for their failure:

  • As already discussed, the typical wholesaler does not market the property widely. His “list” of end-buyers is small, and since he is not an agent, he cannot place the property in the MLS to be syndicated to a broader audience.
  • He has the stigma of being neither the agent nor the property owner. It is hard for some end-buyers to understand how a non-owner and non-Realtor can be marketing property they don’t own.
  • Since he does not have title to the property, he cannot legally market the property. He can only market what he does “own,” the right to buy the property, i.e., the contract. End-buyers find this confusing.
  • He has not viewed the property in person and has done little or no research. As a result, he is unable to answer the end-buyer’s questions.
  • He may have offered too much for the land. Because he is virtual and has not visited the property, he may be unaware of some of the problems that a local buyer would be aware of. As a result, he may have offered so much that no buyer will pay more.

Remember, wholesalers usually do not have the cash to buy the property. And, even if they do, they are not interested in purchasing real estate.

Reason 7: Wholesalers cause high days-on-market.

Buyers look at “days on the market” (DOM) when deciding what to offer on a property. They assume that the longer a property has been on the market, the more anxious the owner will be to sell and the lower the price the seller will accept.

Wholesalers tie up the property for weeks or months before canceling. During this time, DOM keeps going up. High DOM can taint the property and affect the price sellers can get from the next buyer after the wholesaler walks away.

Related to this, cancellations are now public information, thanks to sites like Zillow. Cancellations are a bad look. Future buyers will wonder what’s wrong with the property that caused a previous buyer to cancel.

Reason 8: Wholesalers can create legal liability for the seller.

Sellers are required by law to disclose all material facts about the land. Unaware that the buyer is a wholesaler, sellers will naturally give these written disclosures to the wholesaler. But what happens to those disclosures when the wholesaler assigns the contract to the end-buyer? Does he advise the end-buyer that the property is landlocked, the neighbor’s garage is encroaching, and it failed a perc test for septic? What happens after closing when the end-buyer discovers the flaws with the land that the seller did not disclose to him? A possible lawsuit for the seller, that’s what.

Reason 9: Wholesalers make low-ball offers.

The seller in the example above, who accepted a $70,000 offer, is not receiving the full value of their land. If the land owner had listed it at $100,000 with an agent, the agent would likely have found a buyer at $95,000, just like the wholesaler did. Even after paying a 6% commission (ignoring closing costs to simplify these calculations), the seller would have made over $89,000 instead of $70,000. The seller is leaving money on the table.

Sometimes, it is in a seller’s best interest to accept a lower price in return for a fast, sure-thing sale. As a land broker, I see this all the time. Sellers commonly have urgent needs, such as medical care, a family emergency, or an upcoming vacation. Sellers realize they must choose between a high retail price or a fast sale. They can’t have both, and they know it. It is not irrational for a seller to accept a lower price in cases like this. However, accepting an offer from a wholesaler is not the solution. This is because the second part of that equation, a fast sale, generally does not pan out.

Reason 10: Wholesalers make high-ball offers.

An underappreciated fact is that newbie virtual wholesalers often offer too much. How could this possibly be a problem for the seller, you ask? It’s problematic because it makes it impossible for the wholesaler to find an end-buyer that will pay more. And as I’ve said many times, they will cancel when they fail to find an end-buyer. Cancellation is a problem for the seller.

For example, suppose the wholesaler in our example offered the seller a high price of $100,000 instead of $70,000. The seller would be pleased and accept right away. The wholesaler might then market the land to his list at $125,000. However, because he has wildly overpriced the property, he will fail to find an end-buyer.

Wholesalers often submit offers on scores of properties per month, sometimes in several states. They have a shotgun approach. They do very little research on the land and offer a good price because they want to get a large number of properties under contract. They might get 10 or 100 properties under contract and hope one or two will work out. After all, there’s no financial risk to them.

Better alternatives for land sellers

If you want to sell your land for the highest price possible and are willing to wait a few months for the property to sell, the best thing to do is hire a Realtor, preferably a land broker.

On the other hand, if you want to sell immediately and are willing to sell at a low price in return for a fast sale, then sell directly to an end-buyer.

How do you find an end-buyer? Ask your family, friends, colleagues, or acquaintances if they want to buy your land at a steep discount. Advertise on Craigslist or Zillow. Google something like “Fast cash land” and many land-buying websites will pop up. When considering a buyer you find on the web, be sure to ask questions and verify that any “buyer” you find is not a wholesaler. If you receive an offer in the mail from someone offering to buy your land, don’t throw it away. Vet them to ensure they are an actual buyer, not a wholesaler.

Conclusion

It is generally unwise for a landowner to accept an offer from a wholesaler. There are far better alternatives.

Filed Under: Rant, Wholesaling

How to ask if seller financing is available

by Tammy Tengs

A buyer texts me and says: “will the seller carry the loan?”  As a land broker, buyers ask me this all the time. It’s totally reasonable to ask about the availability of seller financing because there are very few conventional loans for vacant land.

The thing is, when a buyer asks the question in this simplistic way, I cannot give them an answer.  And, there’s no point in me contacting the seller, my client, with a simple “hey man, will you carry the loan?”  Because I already know what the answer will be.  The answer from the seller will be “no”.  Or, if it’s not a flat out “no”, it will be a bunch of questions:

  • How much will the buyer put down?
  • What interest rate?
  • How many years?
  • What price?
  • What are the monthly payments?
  • Who’s paying the closing costs?

Then, since the buyer has not stated the terms they are proposing, what happens is a lot of back and forth between buyer, agent and seller. It’s a big ‘ole unnecessary time-sink for all involved.

So, my friends and valued buyers, I offer you my advice on the best way to approach a listing agent to ask if the seller will carry the loan.  I will show you how to save time and get positive results. 

Let’s get started. 

Sample Ideal Email Inquiry From a Buyer

Below is an example of an email that you might send to the listing agent.

“Hi Some Broker,

I’m interested in that parcel APN 987-654-321 at 1234 Some Street in Some City in Some County. I was wondering if the seller would consider carrying the loan with the following terms:

  • Price $80,000
  • Down payment $20,000
  • Principal $60,000
  • Interest rate 6%
  • Term 15 years
  • Monthly payments $506.31
  • No pre-payment penalty
  • Closing costs (escrow/title) shared 50-50
  • Closing in 21 days

Please let me know if the seller would consider these terms.  If yes, I am prepared to submit a written signed offer.

Thank you,

Some Buyer”

Notice the specificity?  Notice how the email includes everything that is needed and nothing that is not needed?  See how the inquiry clearly spells out the terms including the price, down payment, interest rate, length of the loan, and monthly payment?  Do that.  Please.

How to Calculate Monthly Payments

It’s easy to calculate the monthly payment so that you can include it in your email.  However, it’s not as simple as just dividing the amount owed by the number of months that you plan to make payments.  That only works if your interest rate is 0. 

To get the monthly payment for a fully amortized loan, use an online calculator: 

http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/mortgage_calculator.htm

http://bretwhissel.net/amortization/amortize.html

What Terms Should You Offer?

Buyers, in order to draft the email above, you will need to decide up front, before even asking the Realtor if seller-financing is available, what terms you are proposing.  This will require a little advance thought on your part.  So, spend a few minutes running some numbers.  It will be worth it when you get a positive reply.  Below are some customary seller-financing terms to help you out.

  • Down payments typically range from 20% to 50%.  Please do not offer less than 20% for reasons spelled out here.
  • Interest rates on seller-financed land generally range from 4% to 10%.  I recommend that you not offer less than 6%.
  • Terms (length of the loan) typically ranges from 2-10 years. 

Out of all these items (down payment, interest rate, and term) the thing that sellers care most about is the down payment.  To increase your odds of success, make the down payment as large as you can.

How Not to Ask a Realtor if the Seller Will Carry

For comparison, let’s look at how not to ask a Realtor if the owner will offer seller-financing.

Buyer:  Yo, will the seller carry the loan on that parcel?

Agent: Which parcel?

Buyer:  The one on the internet

Agent:  Which parcel on the Internet?  What street, city, county, state please?

Buyer:  The land listing

Agent:  I have 50+ land listings. 

Buyer:  The one priced at $100,000?

Agent:  There are two, the one in California or the one in Oregon?

Buyer:  California

Agent:  OK, that’s the one in Riverside.  I will be pleased to ask the seller if they will carry the loan.  In order to ask the seller, I need to know the price, down payment, interest rate and term that you are proposing.  Then I can ask the seller.

Buyer:  Can’t you just ask the seller if he will carry, like, in general?

Agent:  Sorry, no, because if I do the seller will ask me to specify the terms before he decides.  What terms are you proposing please?  I need your proposed price, down payment, interest rate and the length of the loan.

Buyer:  I can put 25% down

Agent:  OK what price, interest rate and term?

Buyer:  6% interest

Agent:  Are you offering $100,000?  How long would you like the term to be?

Buyer:  No, I only want to pay $80,000.

Agent:  OK what term? 

Buyer:  10 years

Agent:  Payments would be $666.12 per month.  I will ask the seller and let you know when he replies.

Buyer:  No, I can only afford about $500 per month

Agent: OK then let’s change the term to 15 years.  I will ask the seller if he will consider $80,000 with $20,000 down at 6% interest for 15 years, payments to be $506.31 per month.  I will let you know when he replies.

Buyer:  OK thanks

Buyers, you don’t want to spend a bunch of time going back and forth on the phone, text or email just to get an answer to your question, do you?  I mean, the email/text exchange above took like half an hour.  You don’t want to invest that same half hour with five different Realtors on the five different parcels you’re interested in, right?  It would be much easier for you to spend a little time thinking about it before even contacting the agent and just send the agent the email I recommended above.  You could even use it as a template and send it to multiple agents on several parcels, editing key items slightly for each one.  Save yourself a bunch of time!

Who Should Name Their Terms First:  Buyer or Seller?

I find that Buyers usually want sellers to name their terms up front and sellers want buyers to name their terms up front.  So, who goes first?

I recommend that the buyer “go first”.  Here’s why:  As a listing agent who represents the seller, it doesn’t make sense for me to even ask seller if they will carry the loan at the time of taking the listing.  Why?  Because if I ask the seller if they will carry at the time of signing the listing agreement, the seller’s answer is almost uniformly “no”.  So, there’s no point to even asking.  Almost all sellers prefer cash, and, at the time of listing, they are usually thinking their parcel is so special it will sell quickly and for a full cash price.  At the outset, sellers see no reason to carry the loan.  This means that if you’re the first buyer me to ask, “will the seller carry?” it’s likely that I won’t know the answer to your question. 

And I cannot just pose this question to the seller “in general” or “hypothetically”.  I find that sellers run into a mental block when they are asked whether, in theory, they might consider carrying the loan.  Most sellers have no clue whether they should ask for 20% down or 50% down, whether the interest rate should be 4% or 10%, whether it makes sense to carry for 2 years or 15 years.  I find that most sellers cannot wrap their mind around the question of whether they might carry in general for some hypothetical nameless faceless buyer.  Sellers can only think about financing when the precise terms are spelled out by an actual buyer.  It’s a psychological thing.

So, as an agent, instead of asking the seller at the time of taking the listing whether or not they will carry, I wait a month or two until I get the first inquiry about seller financing from a buyer.  Then I ask the buyer to name their terms.  Armed with those terms, I go to the seller and say hey there is real buyer proposing actual specific terms and I ask the seller if they will consider those exact terms. 

This strategy is more likely to get a positive response from the seller.  One reason is that a couple of months into the listing period, sellers are starting to see that their parcel has not flown off the market with a full price all cash offer.  By this time, sellers are beginning to think about new ways to get their land sold.  A second reason is that if I can specify exact terms to a seller, he can ruminate about it in a concrete way.  Is the 20% down proposed by the buyer sufficient, he will wonder, or would it be better to counter at 30% so that the buyer has more “skin in the game”?  Is he willing to carry for 10 years, as the buyer requests, or will he need the money in 5 years for his kid’s college education?  Is the 6% interest rate proposed by the buyer less or more than what he earns on his other investments?  What would it be like to get a regular check for $506.31 per month?  That might be nice, he will think. 

So, buyers, when you name your terms this gives the seller something concrete to focus his thinking on.  It works much better this way and he is more likely to say “yes”.  Trust this advice from the experienced land broker.

Consider Your Audience

As a buyer, it’s best if you can learn something about the seller and agent before preparing your detailed inquiry about seller-financing.  Is the seller younger or older?  Is the Realtor a residential broker or a land broker?

If the seller is older, you will want to propose a shorter term for the seller-financing.  While banks can entertain long loan terms like 15-30 years, because they exist in perpetuity, land sellers are not banks.  They are humans with finite lifespans.  Some sellers are older and naturally want to get paid off while they are alive.  So, consider the seller’s age when deciding what term to propose.  The older the seller, the shorter the term you should propose.

The reason to consider whether the listing agent is a residential broker or land broker is that residential brokers will be less familiar with seller financing.  Residential brokers sell mostly houses and condos and may have only one or two land listings.  Since conventional loans are plentiful for houses, Residential brokers may not be aware that there are few conventional loans available for vacant land.  A residential Realtor might wonder “why doesn’t the buyer just go to their bank?”  Residential brokers may even greet your seller-financing request with suspicion.  Some may not have a clue how to prepare a seller financing offer, calculate monthly payments, create an amortization schedule, etc. (By the way, these are just some of many reasons that land sellers should list with land brokers not residential brokers, but I digress….)  Buyers, if your audience is a residential Realtor, it is even more important to spell out your proposed terms in detail in your first inquiry as I have shown you above.  If you do this, you will look like a serious buyer.  In addition, you will be educating the residential broker so that they will see that preparing an offer like this would not be all that cumbersome (for them).  Then they may take your “seller financing?” question more seriously.

Also remember that your “audience” for this inquiry, the listing agent and the seller, are probably not mathematicians or loan brokers.  So keep it simple!  I recommend that the type of loan you propose be as basic as possible.  For clarity, make it fully amortized.  This is because loans that are amortized involve just a single monthly payment and when you’re done making those payments the whole principal will be paid off. It’s an easy concept for sellers to grasp. Try to avoid proposing a balloon payment and never ever propose multiple balloon payments such as “I’ll pay you $20,000 up front, then monthly payments, the another $30,000 in 1 year, then more monthly payments, then $40,000 in 3 years.”  OMG.  Do not ask for an interest-only loan because that involves a balloon payment at the end.  A final recommendation is to avoid proposing multiple options.  Never say “we could do it this way or we could do it that way”.  You might think it’s totally logical that the seller would prefer to have choices, that way the seller can get more what he wants and so is more likely to carry the loan.  Wrong.  It just confuses the negotiation.  Think about Trader Joes.  One of the reasons they are so successful selling tomato sauce and frozen burritos is that they offer one option not multiple options.  If you want the seller to say “yes”, just propose a single garden variety amortized loan with one set of terms.

Finally, buyer, keep in mind that most sellers prefer all cash.  So, your audience for your “seller financing?” question will be someone who really doesn’t want to carry the loan.  You will have to entice them.  So, don’t go in with an offer that is low price AND a small down payment AND a low interest rate AND a long term because that’s not going to work.  Give the seller something to hang his hat on.  Make him want to work with you.  You’re not the only buyer out there.  You are in competition with other buyers, actual or theoretical, past, present or future.  And while you cannot make your offer superior to other buyers in all ways (because you’re not offering cash), you can make it superior to all other buyers in one way – and that’s on price.  So, if you’re going to request terms, at least offer full price. 

Buyer Worries

Sometimes buyers worry that if they send a detailed inquiry like the one I am suggesting, the seller will get the mistaken impression that it is an actual offer.  They fret that if the seller says “yes” they will be “under contract”.  Not true.  In real estate, a contract has to have two signatures.  And when a buyer sends this kind of inquiry to a Realtor, and the Realtor forwards it to the seller, and the seller says, “sounds good”, nobody has signed anything.  The seller’s positive response just means “I invite you to submit a formal offer and, if you do, and I will look at it favorably”.  However, until there is a signed agreement, there is no deal and either party can walk.  So, buyers, don’t be afraid to state your terms up front with some specificity.

From the Perspective of the Realtor and Seller

In addition to increasing the odds of getting a positive response, something that benefits the buyer, the strategy that I am advocating also serves the purposes of the Realtor and seller.  Asking the buyer to give a few minutes of thought to the kind of seller-financing deal he wants, weeds out those buyers who are not serious about the parcel in question and are just sitting around in their jammies, watching Netflix, surfing Zillow, and blasting off “seller carry?” emails to random agents.  After all, not all “buyers” are buyers.  And there’s no point in getting a seller’s hopes up if the buyer is not really a buyer. I find that real buyers are willing to spend a few minutes crafting their seller financing proposal. It’s a good test.

Conclusion

If you’re interested in purchasing a piece of land, it’s reasonable to ask a Realtor whether or not their seller client will carry the loan on a parcel of land.  The best way to do it is to briefly specify all terms up front.  This will increase your odds of getting a positive response!

Filed Under: Agent, Buying, Financing, Negotiation, Rant, Seller financing

Can the seller counter over the asking price?

by Tammy Tengs

Counter over the asking price

Recently, I received a full price offer from a Realtor who was representing a buyer.  I was representing the seller. Surprisingly, my client declined the full price offer.  He gave the buyer a written counteroffer that was higher than his asking price.

Let’s just say that my client had his reasons.

The Realtor representing the buyer went absolutely ballistic!  She threw a tantrum and sent me several flaming e-mails. She implied there was some conspiracy afoot.

I listened politely. I mean, gosh.

So while that other Realtor is taking a time-out in the naughty-girl corner, let’s talk, just you and I.  From this experience, it became clear to me that not all buyers, and perhaps not all agents, understand that it’s acceptable for sellers to decline full price offers.  Buyers and their agents may not grasp the reasons why a seller might do that.  Further, sellers may not realize the drama that they unleash when they counter over the asking price.

Does The Seller Have To Accept A Full Price Offer?

The short answer is “No.”

Real estate is not like shopping at the supermarket.  When you go to the grocery store and an item is marked $1.29 you can be confident that when you take it up to the cash register you will be allowed to purchase it for $1.29.  Even if the computer register makes a mistake and shows it at $1.50, for example, you can still talk to a manager and he will likely give it to you for $1.29 because that’s the price marked on the item.

Real estate doesn’t work that way.

Does the Seller Have to Explain Their Reason for Declining A Full Price Offer?

No.  In fact, the seller does not even have to reply to the buyer’s offer at all, even a full price offer.  The seller can remain entirely silent.

Of course the listing agent may well explain the seller’s reasons to the buyer’s agent if she feels it is in her client’s best interest.  For example, if the seller wants the buyer to re-submit a revised offer, the listing agent might explain to the buyer’s agent the reasons that justify the higher price.  However, there are times when the listing agent, acting as the seller’s fiduciary, will feel that it’s in seller’s best interest to say nothing.  In that event, she will remain silent.

Why Would a Seller Decline A Full Price Offer?

First, rest assured that the vast majority of sellers will accept a full price offers.  Or, they may give a buyer a counteroffer on a couple of details but accept the full price.

However, there are reasons why some sellers may not accept full price.  Here are a few of those reasons:

     1.  The seller may have received another written offer

In fact, the seller may have not just one additional offer – he may have two or more.  The other offer(s) may be higher than your offer, lower than your offer, or the same as your offer.  Regardless, the seller is free to accept one offer, counter one offer, counter multiple offers, or decline all offers.  There is no “first come first served” in real estate.

In practice, the way it usually works is that when a seller receives two or more offers, the seller will either 1) accept the best offer, or 2) counter one offer on a couple of details, or 3) counter two or more offers.  In the event of a bidding war, the parcel is likely to sell for over the asking price.

     2.  The seller may have received another verbal offer

Even if the seller does not have another written offer, he may have received another verbal offer via his agent.  He may be hoping to get more from the competing buyer.  It could be that the other buyer is planning to put their verbal offer in writing any day now, but has not gotten around to doing that yet.

     3.  The seller may be unhappy with the terms

Offers are not all about price.  Offers consist of price and terms.  Sure you may have offered full price, but did you ask for a 120-day escrow period so that you would have time to come up with the money?  Is your offer contingent on selling your house in another state?  Did you ask the seller to pay for all of the closing costs including your portion?  Did you say you were going to get a bank loan on vacant land with 5% down when the seller knows that no such loans exist?  Did you ask the seller to pay for a perc test for septic, a well inspection, and a survey?  If you answered “yes” to any of these questions, the seller may be saying to himself “Give me a break.  I’m not even going to reply to this frivolous offer” even if it is full price.  Sure, the price is fine.  But the seller doesn’t like the terms.

     4.  The buyer’s agent may have “shown her hand” to the listing agent

The agent representing the buyer may have inadvertently or deliberately disclosed to the listing agent the buyer’s extreme motivation to purchase or even the buyer’s willingness to pay more if necessary.  The buyer’s agent may have said that she thinks the parcel is a “good deal” or “very well priced”.  She may have called the listing agent incessantly asking if there are competing offers, or pressuring the listing agent for a response.  This is a “tell” that the buyer is very interested and is pushing her agent to get a response from the listing agent and seller.

The listing agent (who is the seller’s fiduciary) may advise the seller that she believes the buyer may be willing to pay more than the asking price.  This advice may cause a seller to decline or counter a full price offer even when the seller has no other offers.Phone ringing off the hook

     5.  The listing agent’s phone may be ringing off the hook

If you think a parcel is so awesome that you are motivated to offer full price, then it stands to reason there are other buyers just like you.  The listing agent may be receiving considerable interest – a high volume of phone calls and lots of e-mails.  The listing agent has likely shared this information with the seller.  The seller may take this as a sign that he can get more than his initial asking price for the parcel.

     6.  The seller may have had a change of heart on list price based on reliable or unreliable new information from outside sources

After signing the listing agreement at a particular price, the seller may discuss the price with his “financial advisor” Spike, his neighbor Mary Sue, or his favorite uncle Herb who used to sell real estate back in 1958.  New advice (reliable or unreliable) may cause him to change his willingness to sell at his original list price.  Wisely or unwisely, this may cause him to decline your full price offer.

     7.  The seller’s confidence in the economy may have improved since he listed the parcel

Economy improvingThe actual economy for land sales typically does not change in 3-6 months, the timeframe of a typical real estate listing.  However, the seller’s psychological confidence in the economy based on news reports could easily change in a period that short. The seller may be thinking “sure I listed my property at $X five months ago, but now the economy has improved so I want more money for my land”.

     8.  The buyer or the buyer’s agent may be acting like a jerk

Sellers do not want to sell their land to buyers who are acting like jerks or who are represented by agents who are acting like jerks.  An example of a jerky thing to do would be to submit a full price offer and then get angry, threatening litigation if the seller doesn’t immediately accept the offer (like the agent who inspired this blog post did).  Any mention of the L-word for any reason is naturally a huge turnoff to sellers.  Sellers do not want to do business with buyers who seem litigious or who might create a complicated unhappy escrow experience.  As a pure business decision, a seller is unlikely to accept a full price offer from someone who is acting like a jerk.

Advice to Sellers

Yes, technically you can ask a buyer to pay more than the listing price.  But let’s face it – you will create an unhappy melodrama between the buyer, buyer’s agent and listing agent. More importantly for you, a move like this is unlikely to be successful.

Countering over the asking price may cause the buyer to disappear.  There are some buyers who, upon receiving such a counteroffer, will think you’re an unfair meanie and will walk away just on principle.

As a seller, it’s far better to list the property at a price you are actually willing to accept.  If the price you are willing to accept changes, then talk with your Realtor immediately about modifying the advertised listing price.

Also listen to your Realtor. Ask your Realtor to do some updated research. Maybe the higher price you think you can fetch is ill-considered and you should keep the list price the way it is. After all, it hasn’t sold at current listing price yet, now has it?

As a strategy, countering over the asking price should be reserved for only the rarest of circumstances. And only when you’re mentally prepared for the buyer to say “no thanks”.

Advice to Buyers

If you think a parcel is an awesome deal, it is likely you’re not alone in that opinion.  When you find a fabulous real estate opportunity, be aware that multiple offers and counteroffers over the asking price are a possibility.  The best way to avoid a bidding war is to write a “clean” offer.  That means you should offer full price and, in addition, offer 50% of all closing costs including title insurance.  To increase the odds of acceptance, write into your offer that the seller can choose the escrow and title company.  Finally, submit your offer quickly before anyone else sees the listing!

Advice to Agents

If you are a buyer’s agent and you submit a full price offer and get no response please don’t jump to the conclusion that there’s some conspiracy afoot against your buyer like the agent who inspired this blog post did.  There are many reasons why a seller would decline a full price offer that have nothing to do with you and your buyer. Even if you get no reply, remember, a non-reply, while no fun, is legal.

Further, the buyer’s agent should remember that the listing agent has a fiduciary responsibility to the seller, not to you or to your client. The listing agent has no ethical responsibility to tell you what the seller is thinking.  A seller could be declining your full price offer for any number of reasons and the listing agent has no duty to tell you the reason.  She may. She may not.

Just politely contact the listing agent to inquire about the status of your buyer’s offer.  Be careful about seeming too desperate and “showing your hand” because the wily listing agent may use that to her client’s advantage.  Monitor the MLS listing daily to see if the seller might have increased the listing price.  If you get the news that your full price offer is declined just ask your buyer if they want to submit a better offer.

As the economy improves, you will see more and more bidding wars, declined full price offers, and counteroffers over asking price.  Just take a deep breath and take it in stride.

When you are acting as a listing agent, make sure your sellers know that they should list at a price they are actually prepared to accept.  If the price they are willing to accept changes, encourage them to contact you immediately to discuss whether it makes sense to officially change the listing price.

Filed Under: Negotiation, Pricing, Rant

Dear principal brokers, it’s spelled “principal” not “principle”

by Tammy Tengs

Principal Broker MisspelledDo you remember learning in school that “the Principal is your pal?” Maybe this was how you remembered the correct spelling of “principal”?

Yet many principal brokers refer to themselves as “Principle Broker”.

They misspell it on their business cards. They automate the error in their email signature line. They spell it wrong on their website. They splash all over the Internet.

When I receive an email from a “Principle Broker” I just think, “girlfriend, your slip is showing; brother, your fly is down…should I tell this person? “

In a quick Google search I found 473,000 hits for “principal broker” (that’s good). I also found 113,000 instances of “principle broker” (that’s bad).

Definitions

You may have heard of “brokers” and “agents”. Perhaps you already know what a “Realtor” is. But what is a “principal broker” anyway, you wonder?

In the context of real estate, one definition of “principal broker” is:

A name given in some states to the responsible party in a real estate office; sometimes called the managing broker or the qualifying broker. It is the person legally authorized to enter into agency contracts with consumers, and the person legally responsible for supervising the agents who work under that supervision.

The Oxford Dictionary defines “principal” as:

The person with the highest authority or most important position in an organization, institution, or group.

The word “principle”, on the other hand, is defined like this:

A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

Because the principal broker is the top dog, the person in charge of the real estate office, the correct spelling is “principal”.

Grammar Girl Weighs In

Grammar GirlApparently, Realtors are not the only ones who confuse the two words. Mignon Fogarty, AKA Grammar Girl tackled this issue in a recent podcast. Grammar Girl is an expert and her podcast ranks on the top 40 on ITunes. She explains the difference between “principal” and “principle” better than I can. You can listen to her podcast on this issue below (this part starts 4:12 minutes into the podcast): 

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/1/9/3/1936179825764bdd/gg_519.mp3?c_id=11865351&expiration=1470078847&hwt=ec79539b66deb8225f49e2ba767de6d5

If you prefer, you can read a transcript of her podcast.

The bottom line for Realtors is this: It’s supposed to be “principal broker” not “principle broker”.  If Grammar Girl says so it has to be true.  Grammar Girl wouldn’t lie.

My Concerns

I’m concerned for all you buyers and sellers out there, working with “principle brokers”. I can’t help but wonder how the person in charge of a real estate office goes for years misspelling their title? Did they miss they day in school where we all learned that “the Principal is our pal?” Did they miss a lot of days in school? Do they lack attention to detail? Why didn’t anyone in their office notice this misspelling? Does their staff lack attention to detail too? Will this broker also overlook key items in real estate contracts or physical inspections?

I don’t know, maybe I’m getting my “panties in a bunch” over nothing. We all make mistakes.

On the other hand, it’s not just some random word it’s your TITLE after all. You spell your name correctly, right? It seems like you would get your job title correct too.

Think it’s no big deal?  Here’s the real truth of it:  If you work with clients who don’t know the difference then it is no big deal to them.  However, there is a whole ocean of prospects out there, educated ones, who are noticing and making a mental note of this error.  It’s registering in their minds, especially if it’s somewhere prominent like your business card or website. They’re just too polite to say anything.  Maybe they’re just silently moving on down the road, deciding to work with a different broker…

And While I’m At It

Now that I think of it, there are least three areas in real estate where “principal” and “principle” are commonly confused:

Mortgage

CORRECT: “The remaining principal on the loan is $100,000.”

INCORRECT: “The down payment is 20% and the principle is 80%.”

Client

CORRECT: “The buyer and seller are both principals.”

INCORRECT: “The agent is a fiduciary to his principle in a transaction.”

Broker

CORRECT: “I am the Principal Broker in charge of the real estate office.”

INCORRECT: “My name is John Smith, Principle Broker.”

Repeat After Me

“The principal broker is my pal.”

“The client is the principal and also my pal.”

“The loan principal is my pal.”     (Yeah, I know that one is a stretch!)

Now you have it straight! So get out there and edit those business cards and websites. Or forward this blog post to a pal …

Filed Under: Agent, Rant

Tammy Tengs

Land Broker; systematic; doctorate from Harvard; likes vegetarian food, documentaries, swimming, and all things real estate.

California license #01436288

Land22 Real Estate

http://land22.com

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